tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4977576687898619950.post8696300146815958974..comments2017-04-24T05:37:37.513-07:00Comments on Duchy of Clove-Hamhock, Iranistan, and others: Rule Sets Game ScalesWilliam Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12084322223324585325noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4977576687898619950.post-43010517457304788182017-03-23T06:23:50.878-07:002017-03-23T06:23:50.878-07:00You are very welcome, and thanks for your patience...You are very welcome, and thanks for your patience, Bill!<br /><br />"Since keeping the same number of bases per unit is important the range and number of bases cannot be halved unless each 40mm wide base for 15mm figures is counted as 2 bases."<br /><br />Agreed 100%. But there is nothing wrong with halving the distances for movement and shooting, or substituting cm for inches, while keeping the number of bases the same - is what the author of Swordpoint has suggested. In fact, substituting cm for inches would allow one to field a single 12-base, 240mm-wide unit (or two 6-base, 120mm-wide units deployed side-by-side) as representing a full Roman legion.A Lot of Gaulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08808269698879999907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4977576687898619950.post-43871460517345213092017-03-22T20:30:04.119-07:002017-03-22T20:30:04.119-07:00Thanks for posting the information for 25/28mm fig...Thanks for posting the information for 25/28mm figures.William Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12084322223324585325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4977576687898619950.post-88336542074003008902017-03-22T20:28:19.776-07:002017-03-22T20:28:19.776-07:00Bow ranges were taken from the rules or quick refe...Bow ranges were taken from the rules or quick reference sheets using 15mm figure ranges were given or reduced to match a 15mm base width of 40mm as used by most of the rules. The older rule sets such as Tactica and WRG used 60mm for 25mm or 15mm per figure while the newer sets such as Hail Caesar and Swordpoint are using 20mm per figure. All (with the exception of the original listing for Swordpoint) are for 40mm wide bases. "Legio" was a recommendation for large battle rules for 15mm figures in response to a question that had been asked about rule sets for 15mm figures and large battles. The above table was done to provide a comparison of the rule sets that were recommended and/or have been used in tournament play. "Civitates" is one set that had not been mentioned. <br /><br />Swordpoint is the one set that I have not purchased a copy of at this point. Since keeping the same number of bases per unit is important the range and number of bases cannot be halved unless each 40mm wide base for 15mm figures is counted as 2 bases. Their site has the QR sheet along with a lot of other useful downloads. <br /><br />While Warmaster was intended for 10mm figures those who had 14mm or 6mm used the same base size. Armati includes reduced scale rulers in the back of the book that can be photo copied, while I believe it was Tactica that recommended making a reduced scale copy of a ruler for smaller scale figures. <br /><br />I originally started with 20/25mm figures and WRG Ancients, then went to 15mm, and finally 6mm, trading my 15mm figures with another club member for his huge collection of 30YW, Napoleonic, ACW and ancients. I di this to reduce the amount of scenery I would have needed for multiple figure scales. Though I do still have 28mm fantasy.William Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12084322223324585325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4977576687898619950.post-58493946928664584262017-03-22T15:21:00.605-07:002017-03-22T15:21:00.605-07:00P.S. For Swordpoint, the number of bases in a unit...P.S. For Swordpoint, the number of bases in a unit is an important measure of its strength. So when playing with 15/18mm figures, it is important to keep the same number of bases per unit as given in the rulebook.A Lot of Gaulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08808269698879999907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4977576687898619950.post-16602587942591930072017-03-22T13:08:00.553-07:002017-03-22T13:08:00.553-07:00Looks good, Bill. Many thanks. I am not sure where...Looks good, Bill. Many thanks. I am not sure where some of your other maximum bow ranges came from, though. It looks as if you used the bow ranges given for 15mm figures for some rule sets, and 25/28mm figures for others. In order to compare apples with apples, here are the maximum missile ranges that I know for certain, all given for 25/28mm figures:<br /><br />Armati = 24" = roughly 600mm<br />Civitates Bellantes = 5 JT = 300mm (1 JT = 60mm) - these are Simon MacDowall's rules for 15mm - 25mm Ancients<br />De Bellis Antiquitatis 3.0 = 3 BW = 180mm (3 x 60mm bases)<br />De Bellis Multitudinis 3.2 = 200 paces = 160mm (50 paces = 40mm)<br />Field of Glory 2.0 = 6 MU = 150mm (1 MU = 25mm, the same as for 15mm figures. However, many 25/28mm players use a 40mm MU, which would give a bow range of 240mm)<br />Hail Caesar = 18" = roughly 450mm (recommends halving distances for 15mm figures, or using cm instead of inches)<br />Impetus = 30 U = 600mm (1 U = 2cm)<br />l'Art de la Guerre = 4 UD = 240mm (4 x 60mm bases)<br />Legio = 300mm (3 x 6mm range for 25/28mm) - see Civitates Bellantes above<br />Might of Arms = 12" = roughly 300mm<br />Mortem et Gloriam = 4 BW = 240mm (1 Base Width = 60mm)<br />Sword & Spear = 4 DU = 160mm if using 80mm bases, 240mm if using 120mm bases (1 DU = 1/2 base width)<br />Swordpoint = 24" = roughly 600mm (author recommends halving distances for 15mm figures, or using cm instead of inches)<br />Tactica = 15" = roughly 380mm<br />Warmaster Ancients = 300mm <b>for 10mm figures</b> (25/28mm players have used various width bases, including 60mm, 80mm and 120mm - missile ranges would be increased proportionately)A Lot of Gaulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08808269698879999907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4977576687898619950.post-83597684132041607792017-03-21T21:40:21.265-07:002017-03-21T21:40:21.265-07:00Scott, thanks for providing the information about...Scott, thanks for providing the information about Swordpoint. I will revise the information above.William Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12084322223324585325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4977576687898619950.post-11403906092961957762017-03-21T08:40:08.806-07:002017-03-21T08:40:08.806-07:00Very interesting chart, Bill. Swordpoint is my fav...Very interesting chart, Bill. Swordpoint is my favorite Ancients ruleset, so I have included below a few comments that you may find helpful for your Swordpoint entry:<br /><br />In Swordpoint, basing for formed infantry is listed as 4 figures per 40mm square base. So the "number of infantry men in close order for a single 40mm wide base" would be: 20 men per figure x 4 figures = 80 men. Formed units can be 3-12 bases strong, so the possible range "for a unit eight ranks deep" would be 240-960 men, which appears to fall within the same general range as many of the other rule sets on your list. There is no single-figure basing in Swordpoint, so the current entry could be a little misleading. Also, a typical 1000 point army is usually going to consist of approximately 6-10 units.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />ScottA Lot of Gaulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08808269698879999907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4977576687898619950.post-22962646116582284012017-03-21T07:42:18.392-07:002017-03-21T07:42:18.392-07:00Fascinating bit of analysis. I played WRG 6th and...Fascinating bit of analysis. I played WRG 6th and 7th, then DBA and then FoG. I always felt FoG was what "WRG 8th Edition" should have been like. Now I'm using Impetus and very happy with them.Sun of Yorkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07315805432481558574noreply@blogger.com